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发表于 2016-6-6 15:46 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式 来自: 中国福建福州
FSS CODE里的要求,对货船的逃生通道宽度要求不小于700mm,对客船则是不小于900mm。而我常听到通道宽度有600mm的要求,不知道这个是否有出处?

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 楼主| 发表于 2016-6-6 15:50 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国福建福州
另外,根据FSS CODE第13章2.1.1 梯道宽度净宽度应不小于900mm,而2.2.1 又提到梯道的两侧应装有扶手,扶手之间的净宽度应为1800mm。
前后是否有矛盾?该怎么理解?
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发表于 2016-6-6 19:07 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国上海
不是所有的通道都是逃生通道。扶手最大间距不超过1800。
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发表于 2016-6-6 20:26 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国天津
你说的通道应该是指服务通道
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 楼主| 发表于 2016-6-7 08:08 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国福建福州
wormchi 发表于 2016-6-6 19:07
不是所有的通道都是逃生通道。扶手最大间距不超过1800。

是否有通道宽度600mm的说法?
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发表于 2016-6-7 13:01 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国上海
懒人一个 发表于 2016-6-7 08:08
是否有通道宽度600mm的说法?

私以为600的过道指的是人最小的宽度,或者你可以看看内河船的规范
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 楼主| 发表于 2016-6-7 13:37 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国福建福州
wormchi 发表于 2016-6-7 13:01
私以为600的过道指的是人最小的宽度,或者你可以看看内河船的规范

没有说明规范明确要求600mm的说法吧?
我是指海船规范或是FSS CODE之类的
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发表于 2016-6-7 14:23 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国江苏扬州
应急逃生通道要求宽度不小于800,但是空间确实狭小可以放宽至600,且600为净宽
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发表于 2016-6-7 18:45 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国北京
针对你的问题,你可以翻阅一下SOLAS第二章,第十三条款,关于跳生通道的要求。
FSS 规则是关于客轮逃生通道的具体要求。
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发表于 2016-6-7 19:32 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国北京
本帖最后由 江海直达 于 2016-6-7 20:22 编辑
懒人一个 发表于 2016-6-6 15:50
另外,根据FSS CODE第13章2.1.1 梯道宽度净宽度应不小于900mm,而2.2.1 又提到梯道的两侧应装有扶手,扶手 ...

客轮梯道最小净宽最少九百毫米,除非挂旗国当局特别审批,允许最少宽度八百毫米。

对客轮来说,至于用于超过九十人使用的逃生梯道,每增加一个人员,宽度要增加十毫米,从FSS规则给出具体的要求来看,梯道两边都要有扶手,两边扶手相隔不得超出一米八,是否可以理解,客轮的梯道同向单侧最宽也就是一米八。
而客轮上的开放式的汽车甲板,逃生至救生艇或筏的逃生通道允许净宽六百毫米,主要是考虑从此场所同时逃生的人数有限。

有对法规理解不透切或不对的,请原谅。
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 楼主| 发表于 2016-6-8 08:15 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国福建福州
cqwuhao 发表于 2016-6-7 14:23
应急逃生通道要求宽度不小于800,但是空间确实狭小可以放宽至600,且600为净宽

没有800的说法吧,我只看到700和900的说法,FSS CODE有明确注明。你的这个说法有没根据呢?
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 楼主| 发表于 2016-6-8 08:21 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国福建福州
江海直达 发表于 2016-6-7 18:45
针对你的问题,你可以翻阅一下SOLAS第二章,第十三条款,关于跳生通道的要求。
FSS 规则是关于客轮逃生通 ...

SOLAS的要求较简单,详细的要看FSS CODE。而且FSS CODE并不只是针对客船,也注明了对货船的要求。
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发表于 2016-6-8 11:09 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国天津
规范真扯淡,不配张图让人怎么理解,扶手间距有要求了,那扶手以下呢,扶手一般在1mi左右,1m处保证净宽的要求,脚底下做到300mm左右就可以了,这个在有线型的外板处就可以这么做,外板斜下下来,到脚底下300mm,扶手处保证净宽900mm。
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 楼主| 发表于 2016-6-8 11:25 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国福建福州
cui0640101310 发表于 2016-6-8 11:09
规范真扯淡,不配张图让人怎么理解,扶手间距有要求了,那扶手以下呢,扶手一般在1mi左右,1m处保证净宽的 ...

规范的确有不够详尽的地方,需要改善。所谓的净宽是怎么指向的,没有明确具体的情况。
我只是针对FSS CODE里的两处要求矛盾,一处说净宽至少900,一处又是说扶手净宽至少1800, 很是让人费解。
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发表于 2016-6-8 12:51 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国上海
本帖最后由 江海直达 于 2016-6-8 12:53 编辑
江海直达 发表于 2016-6-7 19:32
客轮梯道最小净宽最少九百毫米,除非挂旗国当局特别审批,允许最少宽度八百毫米。

对客轮来说,至于用 ...

Chapter 13 - Arrangement of Means of Escape 1 Application
. This chapter details the specifications for means of escape as required by chapter II-2 of the Convention.

2 Passenger Ships 2.1 Width of stairways 2.1.1 Basic requirements for stairway widths
. Stairways shall not be less than 900 mm in clear width. The minimum clear width of stairways shall be increased by 10 mm for every one person provided for in excess of 90 persons. The total number of persons to be evacuated by such stairways shall be assumed to be two thirds of the crew and the total number of passengers in the areas served by such stairways. The width of the stairways shall not be inferior to those determined by paragraph 2.1.2.

2.1.2 Calculation method of stairway widths
2.1.2.1. Basic principles of the calculation

2.1.2.1.1. This calculation method determines the minimum stairway width at each deck level, taking into account the consecutive stairways leading into the stairway under consideration.

2.1.2.1.2. It is the intention that the calculation method shall consider evacuation from enclosed spaces within each main vertical zone individually and take into account all of the persons using the stairway enclosures in each zone, even if they enter that stairway from another vertical zone.

2.1.2.1.3. For each main vertical zone the calculation shall be completed for the night time (case 1) and day time (case 2) and the largest dimension from either case used for determining the stairway width for each deck under consideration.

2.1.2.1.4. The calculation of stairway widths shall be based upon the crew and passenger load on each deck. Occupant loads shall be rated by the designer for passenger and crew accommodation spaces, service spaces, control spaces and machinery spaces. For the purpose of the calculation the maximum capacity of a public space shall be defined by either of the following two values: the number of seats or similar arrangements, or the number obtained by assigning 2 m2 of gross deck surface area to each person.

2.1.2.2. Calculation method for minimum value

2.1.2.2.1. Basic formulae

. In considering the design of stairway widths for each individual case which allow for the timely flow of persons evacuating to the assembly stations from adjacent decks above and below, the following calculation methods shall be used (see []figures 1 and 2[/url]):
when joining two decks:
W = (N1 + N2) x 10 mm;
when joining three decks:
W = (N1 + N2 + 0.5N3) x 10 mm;
when joining four decks:
W = (N1 + N2 + 0.5N3 + 0.25N4) x 10 mm; and
when joining five decks or more decks, the width of the stairways shall be determined by applying the above formula for four decks to the deck under consideration and to the consecutive deck,
where:

W
=
the required tread width between handrails of the stairway.
The calculated value of W may be reduced where available landing area S is provided in stairways at the deck level defined by subtracting P from Z, such that:
P
=
S x 3.0 persons/m2; and Pmax = 0.25Z
where:

Z
=
the total number of persons expected to be evacuated on the deck being considered
P
=
the number of persons taking temporary refuge on the stairway landing, which may be subtracted from Z to a maximum value of P = 0.25Z (to be rounded down to the nearest whole number)
S
=
the surface area (m 2 ) of the landing, minus the surface area necessary for the opening of doors and minus the surface area necessary for accessing the flow on stairs (see figure 1[/url])
N
=
the total number of persons expected to use the stairway from each consecutive deck under consideration; N1 is for the deck with the largest number of persons using that stairway; N2 is taken for the deck with the next highest number of persons directly entering the stairway flow such that, when sizing the stairway width as each deck level, N1 > N2 > N3 > N4 (figure 2[/url]). These decks are assumed to be on or upstream (i.e. away from the embarkation deck) of the deck being considered.

Figure 1 Landing Calculation for Stairway Width ReductionFigure 2 Minimum Stairway Width (W) Calculation Example
2.1.2.2.2. Distribution of persons

2.1.2.2.2.1. The dimension of the means of escape shall be calculated on the basis of the total number of persons expected to escape by the stairway and through doorways, corridors and landings (see figure 3[/url]). Calculations shall be made separately for the two cases of occupancy of the spaces specified below. For each component part of the escape route, the dimension taken shall not be less than the largest dimension determined for each case:
Case 1:
Passengers in cabins with maximum berthing capacity fully occupied; members of the crew in cabins occupied to 2/3 of maximum berthing capacity; and service spaces occupied by 1/3 of the crew.
Case 2:
Passengers in public spaces occupied to 3/4 of maximum capacity; members of the crew in public spaces occupied to 1/3 of the maximum capacity; service spaces occupied by 1/3 of the crew; and crew accommodation occupied by 1/3 of the crew.

Figure 3 Occupant Loading Calculation
2.1.2.2.2.2. The maximum number of persons contained in a vertical zone, including persons entering stairways from another main vertical zone, shall not be assumed to be higher than the maximum number of persons authorized to be carried on board for the calculation of stairway widths only.

2.1.3 Prohibition of decrease in width in the direction to the assembly station see footnote [/url]
. The stairway shall not decrease in width in the direction of evacuation to the assembly station. Where several assembly stations are in one main vertical zone, the stairway width shall not decrease in the direction of the evacuation to the most distant assembly station.

2.2 Details of stairways
2.2.1. Handrails
Stairways shall be fitted with handrails on each side. The maximum clear width between handrails shall be 1,800 mm.

2.2.2. Alignment of stairways
All stairways sized for more than 90 persons shall be aligned fore and aft.

2.2.3. Vertical rise and inclination
Stairways shall not exceed 3.5 m in vertical rise without the provision of a landing and shall not have an angle of inclination greater than 45°.

2.2.4. Landings
Landings at each deck level shall be not less than 2 m2 in area and shall increase by 1 m2 for every 10 persons provided for in excess of 20 persons, but need not exceed 16 m2, except for those landings servicing public spaces having direct access onto the stairway enclosure.

2.3 Doorways and corridors
2.3.1. Doorways and corridors and intermediate landings included in means of escape shall be sized in the same manner as stairways.

2.3.2. The aggregate width of stairway exit doors to the assembly station shall not be less than the aggregate width of stairways serving this deck.

2.4 Evacuation routes to the embarkation deck
2.4.1. Assembly station
It shall be recognized that the evacuation routes to the embarkation deck may include an assembly station. In this case, consideration shall be given to the fire-protection requirements and sizing of corridors and doors from the stairway enclosure to the assembly station and from the assembly station to the embarkation deck, noting that evacuation of persons from assembly stations to embarkation positions will be carried out in small control groups.

2.4.2. Routes from the assembly station to the survival craft embarkation position
Where the passengers and crew are held at an assembly station which is not at the survival craft embarkation position, the dimension of stairway width and doors from the assembly station to this position shall not be based on the number of persons in the controlled group. The width of these stairways and doors need not exceed 1,500 mm unless larger dimensions are required for evacuation of these spaces under normal conditions.

2.5 Means of escape plans
2.5.1. Means of escape plans shall be provided indicating the following:
.1. the number of the crew and passengers in all normally occupied spaces;

.2. the number of crew and passengers expected to escape by stairway and through doorways, corridors and landings;

.3. assembly stations and survival craft embarkation positions;

.4. primary and secondary means of escape; and

.5. width of stairways, doors, corridors and landing areas.


2.5.2. Means of escape plans shall be accompanied by detailed calculations for determining the width of escape stairways, doors, corridors and landing areas.

3 Cargo ships
. Stairways and corridors used as means of escape shall be not less than 700 mm in clear width and shall have a handrail on one side. Stairways and corridors with a clear width of 1,800 mm and over shall have handrails on both sides. "Clear width" is considered the distance between the handrail and the bulkhead on the other side or between the handrails. The angle of inclination of stairways should be, in general, 45°, but not greater than 50°, and in machinery spaces and small spaces not more than 60°. Doorways which give access to a stairway shall be of the same size as the stairway.


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发表于 2016-6-12 08:39 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国上海
600是最低要求
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 楼主| 发表于 2016-6-12 08:52 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国福建福州

出处在哪?
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 楼主| 发表于 2016-6-12 08:55 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国福建福州
江海直达 发表于 2016-6-8 12:51
Chapter 13 - Arrangement of Means of Escape 1 Application . This chapter details the specification ...

你这个就是FSS CODE的内容啊。。
里面主要讲了客船的要求,对货船也有提到其要求,只是比较简单,基本只是讲最小值是700。
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