舵机间要设舱底水高位报警吗？

我是小兵 · 发表于 2014-8-29 12:48

Jeffery331 发表于 2014-8-25 21:42
规范上没有相关要求。

我看你不懂规范吧，去查查到VDR的信号，有没有液位高报警。

江海直达 · 发表于 2014-8-29 13:51

tbx1001 发表于 2014-8-29 09:26
如果舵机间计入破舱稳性，就需要，否则不做要求的。如是船东提前要求增加就另说。

请給进一步说明。

江海直达 · 发表于 2014-8-29 13:55

我是小兵发表于 2014-8-29 12:48
我看你不懂规范吧，去查查到VDR的信号，有没有液位高报警。

VDR的性能标准，不能作为要求舵机间装舱底水高位报警的2依据。

zhangliang856 · 发表于 2014-8-29 16:43

加舱底水高位报警,主要的目的是为了防止船舶在重载吃水（重载时海水很容易从舵杆盘根处进水）或者舵机间破损时，舵机间进水进而影响船舶航行时的安全性。舵机间的水密门一般也要加一个开启报警延伸至驾控台也是这个道理。

tbx1001 · 发表于 2014-9-3 11:18

zhangliang856 发表于 2014-8-29 16:43
加舱底水高位报警,主要的目的是为了防止船舶在重载吃水（重载时海水很容易从舵杆盘根处进水）或者舵机间破 ...

基本支持此观点，但是注意，有的舵机间的门（至机舱）是防火门，归根到底还是船体的破舱稳性计算中舵机舱是否计入稳性的要求。

zhangliang856 · 发表于 2014-9-3 17:01

这个就不清楚了应该是船体的破舱稳性计算。我在DNV官网上找了下，只有一个补充的协议，说的很含糊。这个可以问下你们那边的船检。

江海直达 · 发表于 2014-9-3 18:40

zhangliang856 发表于 2014-9-3 17:01
这个就不清楚了应该是船体的破舱稳性计算。我在DNV官网上找了下，只有一个补充的协议，说的很含糊。这个可 ...

一个说要。
一个说不要.

zhangliang856 · 发表于 2014-9-4 13:39

DNV-Gl  rules  规定 steering gear 是独立的空间，见：F 200 Steering gear compartment
201 The steering gear compartment shall be:
— readily accessible and, as far as practicable, separated from machinery spaces
— provided with suitable arrangements to ensure working access to steering gear machinery and controls.
These arrangements shall include handrails and gratings or other non-slip surfaces to ensure suitable
working conditions in the event of hydraulic fluid leakage.
这个要求加自闭泄放阀
504 Where the inboard end of the chute is below the freeboard deck of a passenger ship or the equilibrium
waterlines of a cargo ship to which damage stability requirements apply, then:
a) the inboard end hinged cover/valve shall be watertight;
b) the valve shall be a screw-down non-return valve fitted in an easily accessible position above the deepest load line; and
c) the screw-down non-return valve shall be controlled from a position above the bulkhead deck and provided
这个是bilge  system high level alarm
G 200 Bilge level alarms
201 High water level alarms shall be installed for the bilge wells of container holds with non-weathertight
hatch covers. The volume of each bilge well shall not be less than 1 m3.
with open/closed indicators. The valve control shall be clearly marked: "Keep closed when not in use".
(ICLL
也没提到  steer gear room
在C 300 Damage of local structure
302 The structure of storage rooms for explosives shall be designed for flooding, i.e. with the complete space
filled with water, see Sec.15.
只有这个里有：船体的破舱稳性计算中舵机舱是否计入稳性的要求。如果有的的话可以理解为进水的舱室要加报警了。

ZCCXZJB · 发表于 2014-9-4 22:03

貌似不需要吧，好像没见过，在舵机间只有污水井，应该要因船而异吧

江海直达 · 发表于 2014-9-4 22:05

zhangliang856 发表于 2014-9-4 13:39
DNV-Gl rules 规定 steering gear 是独立的空间，见：F 200 Steering gear compartment
201 The steeri ...

504条，啥意思？给解释一下。

江海直达 · 发表于 2014-9-4 22:08

labilaoxin 发表于 2014-8-25 21:32
绝对需要，干过的船都有

LABILAOXIN，帮译文成中文，你的英文赶刚的。

DNV-Gl  rules  规定 steering gear 是独立的空间，见：F 200 Steering gear compartment
201 The steering gear compartment shall be:
— readily accessible and, as far as practicable, separated from machinery spaces
— provided with suitable arrangements to ensure working access to steering gear machinery and controls.
These arrangements shall include handrails and gratings or other non-slip surfaces to ensure suitable
working conditions in the event of hydraulic fluid leakage.
这个要求加自闭泄放阀
504 Where the inboard end of the chute is below the freeboard deck of a passenger ship or the equilibrium
waterlines of a cargo ship to which damage stability requirements apply, then:
a) the inboard end hinged cover/valve shall be watertight;
b) the valve shall be a screw-down non-return valve fitted in an easily accessible position above the deepest load line; and
c) the screw-down non-return valve shall be controlled from a position above the bulkhead deck and provided
这个是bilge  system high level alarm
G 200 Bilge level alarms
201 High water level alarms shall be installed for the bilge wells of container holds with non-weathertight
hatch covers. The volume of each bilge well shall not be less than 1 m3.
with open/closed indicators. The valve control shall be clearly marked: "Keep closed when not in use".
(ICLL
也没提到  steer gear room
在C 300 Damage of local structure
302 The structure of storage rooms for explosives shall be designed for flooding, i.e. with the complete space
filled with water, see Sec.15.
只有这个里有：船体的破舱稳性计算中舵机舱是否计入稳性的要求。如果有的的话可以理解为进水的舱室要加报警了。

江海直达 · 发表于 2014-9-4 22:09

zhangliang856 发表于 2014-8-29 16:43
加舱底水高位报警,主要的目的是为了防止船舶在重载吃水（重载时海水很容易从舵杆盘根处进水）或者舵机间破 ...

能给予更多说明？

zhangliang856 · 发表于 2014-9-5 10:27

我也只有这个水平了，在DNV规范没找到必须要加报警这个明确要求，规范也不是面面俱到。所以没必要太纠结这个东西。按照常识船舶在重载吃水航行时，舵机室确实很容易进水。加个报警也在常理之中。

ziwenlb · 发表于 2014-9-8 20:42

这个必须要有！！！

不够酷 · 发表于 2014-9-16 20:20

一般有污水井，污水井里放个高位报警

sandypan · 发表于 2014-9-16 20:58

15 Bilge high level alarms
15.1. On a vessel 8 m (26 feet) or more in length, a visual and audible alarm shall be provided at the operating station to indicate a high water level in each of the following normally unmanned spaces:

.1. a space with a through-hull fitting below the deepest load waterline, such as a lazarette;

.2. a machinery space bilge, bilge well, shaft alley bilge, or other spaces subject to flooding from sea water piping within the space; and

.3. a space with a non-watertight closure, such as a space with a non-watertight hatch on the main deck.

[轮机] 舵机间要设舱底水高位报警吗？